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Where does Joe Colborne fit now?

I’ve been trying to wade through the pros and cons (and the somewhat polarized opinions here at VLM) of the moves Dave Nonis has made since the “off-season” began in Leafville. To be sure, the roster makeover continues, and many believe the Leafs are now in better overall shape heading into next season (with moves still to come), with more quality goaltending depth and more ‘oomph’ up front.

That is not, I hasten to add, a universal view, but it feels like the prevailing one—at least here.

It feels clear (at least in my mind) that Nonis is far from finished filling in the canvas, which was not exactly blank to begin with.  But the tweaking (in some cases much more than tweaking) continues, and if nothing else, he has shown that he is not afraid to make moves, and does not have a sentimental attachment to many (if any) players here.  (We can argue, however, about exactly how the GM sees Bozak and whether the organization's desire to retain Kessel is, in part, behind the decision to re-sign the young center, but that can be a discussion for another day…)

What I am now trying to figure out is if we are good enough at the center ice position.  Yes, we are a bit different, with Grabovski out and Bolland now in the picture, but we will go to battle next season with three other centers that we had a year ago (Kadri, Bozak and McClement). With that lineup in the middle, Leaf fandom complained quite regularly that we lacked a true number-one center.  (For the life of me, I still don’t see one on the roster, but as some have argued here, is it possible that we don’t “need” one, given the all-around skill set of the other pivots?)

I’ll even set that notion aside for today, though my next question does kind of tie in,  and it is this:  what do we do now with the much-heralded Joe Colborne?

Colborne arrived as one of the great young hopes of the Burke era, acquired as a former high pick of the Bruins who was a little further along the development curve than if we had simply acquired a future draft pick.  To a certain extent, we knew what we were getting.

He was/is a young player with size, though not a physically imposing center ice man.  Serious injuries seemed to neutralize his progress, but when healthy (particularly in the latter stages of this past season), he showed he had something.  I won’t pretend that I have seen him play so often that I can provide a detailed analysis of all that he brings (or doesn’t), but I saw a player with some jump (at times) and who sees the ice well and can make plays.  A great skater?  Not so much, but fine.  I’m not sure how much of a finisher he is, or if he will be a physical forward enough of the time, but again, he has something that sometimes catches your eye.

He was good enough for Carlyle to utilize at key moments in the playoffs against Boston, so the coach saw something in Colborne after injuries created an opening.

Now, I’ve often said here the hockey world is full of guys with potential, or who are really good minor-league players and show well for a brief period of time at the big-league level, but not enough to sustain a career.  I don’t know where Colborne fits. Is he a guy who has shown more than just “potential”?

So I guess my real question is:  if you are among those who see Colborne as an important part of the Leaf future, where does he fit with Bozak, Bolland, Kadri (we can safely assume he will re-sign before long) and McClement already established?  Does he become a winger until a spot opens up?  Or is he trade bait?

When I’ve watched Colborne over his time in Toronto (with the Marlies primarily) I could not shake the Dustin Penner comparison.  Penner is a guy who has been on two Stanley Cup winners, and he was not an insubstantial part of the success of those teams.  But a lot of his career has been marred by the ‘skating in circles’ syndrome.  That is, he can be a player who always leaves you wanting more, who looks less than determined much of the time.

That said, he is a big, talented guy who has been marvelous at times in the playoffs.

I recognize that comparisons are usually empty and futile (and rarely even remotely close to being accurate), but I’m just acknowledging one that pops to mind when I think of the young Leaf and his future.  I have no idea if Colborne has anywhere near the ceiling that Penner has demonstrated at his best, nor, given his having to play through injuries, can I fairly suggest he is in fact a lazy player, as Penner has often been described.

My biggest question about him now is, what is his future with the blue and white?

If you have a guess, let me know….

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  1. I believe that as things stand either McClement or Colborne will be the second winger on the line with Bolland and Kuleman. The other will be the fourth line centre. Both have played wing and I believe both would do a good job in either role. It also gives us a spare centre on the big.team in case of injury.

    I read with interest J. Ash in Calgary's comment in yesterday's blog. He basically said that maybe the Leafs do not need that classic #1 centre but that their present centres cover all their needs. That was a brilliant observation and makes perfect sense.

    I think we get caught up in someone's blueprint for an NHL team. There must be a #1 centre of the type you described in the blog above. There must be a top six and bottom six. The Leafs don't have that big #1 centre therefore Non is is doing a lousy job not even taking into consideration the defense needs.

    Think about this then. In the 2011-12 season Phil Kessel and Joffery Lupul each averaged a point a game playing with Tyler Bozak. Would they have achieved more playing with an "ideal" centre. That is open for conjecture but personally I think not. Also that #1 centre would command $6,000,000+ and would weaken us elsewhere.

    The cap presents enormous difficulties for GM's. The Leafs will be up against it after signing our remaining RFAs and I can see a trade in the near future. I can't see an addition on defense, given the cap situation, and while ideally it would be nice to add a piece I am pretty happy with what we've got given Franson's emergence, Gardiner's return to form in the playoffs and a healthy Gunnarsson.

    To answer your question, I think a healthy Joe Colborne will be a definite asset next season and will grow into a role as a solid NHL forward.

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  2. You could be right, Pete Cam. I just wonder if Colborne is a second-line player. (I'm not a fan of centers playing the wing, and like Kadri, I thought his background was as a center...)

    There is no one "right" way to construct a team, that's true. And it's also true that first-line centres are awfully expensive- 6 million may not be near enough! Thanks Pete Cam.

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  3. I remember a fine young centreman prospect from the early 70's that, until recently when I saw some YouTube clips, I had forgotten had to put in time on the wing because there was no room at centre. That young man turned into a franchise player (even if it wasn't obvious that he would become so when he played the wing). A young Darryl Sittler didn't grab my attention with the likes of Keon and Ullman in the mix!

    However, I see a slower progression that may require more patience while we wait for young Joe to grow into his frame that was still reportedly increasing last year. Colborne strikes me as a guy for whom we're gonna' be glad we waited. He's already persevered through the wrist (and serious finger) injury and is getting better every season. I think we may see him on the 3rd line wing (or 4th Centre) but filling in for injured Centremen wherever needed.

    He may start the season in the AHL, but I will be surprised if he doesn't have an extended look this year. I hope we can all wait for him, because he may be that special C that we're all hoping for (though I'm not willing to anoint him as anything more than a 'hope' at this point :) Maybe he doesn't need to be a 1C anyway... I was very impressed by J. Ash's comments yesterday, too!

    I think Nonis is asking players to buy in to the team concept that may create more of a 'middle class' in our cap usage than is projected under the new CBA by most expectations I've read (with a distinct upper echelon separated by salary from the rest of the team). It may be that Grabovski's contract is an illustration of the problem... he was not worth what he got, so he is 'bought out' even if he's a great player at a lower/appropriate salary.

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    1. Yes, Colborne will be worth watching, InTimeFor62. Hard to know what his ceiling is, and with big guys, sometimes it takes a while. (I always think back to Phil Esposito...not particularly physical but a big rangy center. A nice player with Chicago but with Orr in Boston, a superstar by his late 20s...)

      You're right about Grabovski. It's unlikely any of us would have questioned his value if he was making 2 or 3 million a season!

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  4. I also wonder if Colborne is one of those Penner-type players who may be lazy or just not very talented and always seems to leave you wanting. (The same can be said for Tyler Biggs by the way.) I haven't seen any flashes of brilliance from him yet (not that I've paid too close attention either) but he did ok in the time he got with the big club. He definitely hasn't shown (like Frattin and Kadri did over and over again) that he deserves a shot with the big club in a scoring role. I'm actually a little worried that we may end up having to depend on him if one of our pivots gets injured.

    What makes me comfortable, however, I must say, is that I'm sure our development experts and Carlyle will be watching him closely and give him a chance if he deserves it. I'm sure, that is, that if he comes prepared to the camp and shows that he can play with the big boys Carlyle will not hesitate to demote or move to the wing another guy that doesn't. If there is one thing I like about the Nonis/Carlyle approach it is their willingness to play the players who are showing work-ethic and talent and demote/trade away/let walk those who aren't.

    To take a wild guess - I think Joe will start the season on Bolland's wing and be expected to play the role of a checker (sort of like Kulemin and Orr last year) - get thrown out there to learn to be defensively responsible - you know - keep the puck in the oppositions end, be strong on the boards, throw a hit every now and then... If he does well he may get a chance at centre and maybe even with Kessel. Who knows? If, on the other hand, he turns out to be a mediocrity with bad work ethic and doesn't do what Carlyle tells him to do, I have no doubt that he'll be quickly traded for whatever we can get.






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    1. Two distinct possibilities, leafdreamer. Now it's up to the player. I agree, the coach will be open-minded. Lots of guys got a shot last season. So will some guys this year....

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  5. I would like to play him ona fourth line sheltered scoring line (top 6 everyone expects followed by McClement-Bolland-Kulemin as a shutdown third line) but Carlyle insists on putting the fighters there which means he wouldn't get any offensive opportunity on the fourth line

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    1. I guess some things could change between now and mid-September, BCapp, which might affect how (and if) he is deployed. Playing with Orr and MacLaren, as you mentioned, wouldn't give him a chance to show his offensive skills. Thanks for chiming in. We'll see how this plays out...

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  6. Colborne is an interesting question for this year, especially in light of his age and majority of time spent in the AHL. Up until now, he has not had sufficient opportunity to really show what he might be able to do at the NHL level. He's played just 16 regular season NHL games and scattered over 3 seasons (averaging under 13 mins per game). Some of those games he had closer to 5 mins of ice time, and was playing on the 4th line.

    I've always been someone who likes to see what a player can do, given the opportunity. Guys like Kadri and Gardiner have both spent time back in the AHL to get further development, and are now showing that they are indeed NHL players. I'd like to see Colborne be given a similar chance to show what he can do, though the depth at center (despite the lack of a true #1) makes it very difficult for Joe to find ice time at center. He may be stuck on the 3rd or 4th line wing. Mind you, IF there is an injury at center, the deck will be shuffled and Colborne could potentially get a chance.

    In my mind McClement will probably play a lot at 4th line center. He could occasionally flip up to the 3rd line, but I think Carlyle will want to keep him more rested and available for the PK unit. If they opt to play Joe as the 4th line center, I doubt we get to see much of what he can do offensively (especially if MacLaren & Orr are his wingers). Again we're only looking at 5-10 mins a game on that 4th line. Even on the 3rd line there will be limited offensive zone time.

    To start, I'm hoping Colborne gets put on 3rd line wing with Bolland and Kulemin. I may be even wishful to think they might use him sometimes at center, and consider sliding Bolland to the wing. I suppose it really depends on what Colborne does at camp, and how prepared he is to fight for a full-time roster position. He needs to impress Carlyle and the rest of the coaching staff. Guys like Ashton & D'Amigo will be hungry to try to win a spot as well.

    I do like Colborne's potential and upside, so I'm hoping he sticks with the team and gets a chance to play some quality minutes.

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    1. This may indeed be a situation where training camp does mean something, Don (TML_fan). If Colborne shows up healthy and in great shape and plays hard, it may make Carlyle find a place for him with the big club.

      My guess is, however, that any regression will see him back with the Marlies, much like Frattin did not make the Leafs out of the mini-training camp this past January, if I remember correctly.

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  7. I think they will ease Colborne into the NHL on the third and fourth line this season. Colborne did play wing in college, so it should not be a problem for him or McClement to play wing on the third or center on the fourth line.

    My guess is that Colborne will play more against softer teams. They will sit tough guy Fraser McLaren against those teams. They have done that in the past season. When playing well, I could see Colborne with more third line minutes

    The Leafs won’t really hurt Colborne’s development with limited minutes on the bottom 6, because Colborne got lots of development time in the AHL ...3 seasons. We are near the point of now or never.


    Colborne is actually a good defensive player. I have never heard a coach (either Eakins or Carlyle) complain about his defensive game. Very few goals are scored when he is on the ice, so he should fit well with Carlyle.


    I could even see this as the year speedy Jerry D'Amigo gets a look, so against faster, soft teams the bottom six might look like:


    Kulemin, Bolland, McClement
    D'Amigo, Colborne, Orr

    Againt the tough teams it could be:

    Kulemin, Bolland, McClement
    McLaren, Colborne, Orr

    or

    Kulemin, Bolland, Colborne
    McLaren,McClement, Orr


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    1. I always prefer that centers play their natural position, but I can see your lineup working with Colborne on the wing, if necessary, DP. (I'd like to see if D'Amigo fits, too..he seems to have a lot of jump in his game...)

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    2. "I'd like to see if D'Amigo fits..."

      That will be one of the more interesting story lines of this season. Most of our best talents on the Marlies are young and thus waiver exempt. They could sit McLaren against the soft teams or there could be an injury and they will able give an audition to all sorts of Marlies during the season: D'Amigo, Ashton, Leivo, Biggs, Broll,Mckegg, Abbott, Scott

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  8. MIchael,

    I hope that at this time Joe Colborne doesn't fit on the Leafs, for now. I don't see much of a role for him on the big club. Look, he's a marginal player at best, third or fourth line duty. I cannot fathom how he is supposed to develop into a number one or two centre in the league getting 6 to 10 minutes a game on a line with two guys, who are best described in hockey terms, as face punchers. All apologies to Orr and McLaren for their other noted abilities, but that's what they are. Colbornes' development would be best served, in my mind, playing big minutes in a prominent role with the Marlies. Maybe, just maybe, making it clear that the team could trade any of the other centres on the team and get another asset that we desperately need. A prominent defenseman, or prospect, like Gardiner, perhaps.

    It is disheartening to me that Leaf fans always do this. What can he do for us now? Now, now, now!!!!! Forget about what is best for the player, and the team long term. Lets get them in the lineup as soon as we can. This way 3 years from now we can bitch and moan about their lack of development. I have already read about how Rielly may crack the lineup this year. It never ends in Leafland, constantly rush players to the NHL, and then run them out of town. Hello, Luke Schenn. Sorry about your career path, but we can't wait to do the same thing with Colborne and Rielly, that we did to Schenn.

    If Colborne is in the lineup on opening night, it will tell me a few things about the management of this team. First, it tells me that they have given up on Colborne becoming a number one or two centre in the NHL. Second, that Nonis was unable to make any other moves to improve at the forward position. Third, the team continues to do what is best short term, while ignoring the long term progress of the organization.

    The Leafs are much better served, in my opinion trying to emulate the New Jersey model. Players learn what it takes in the minors, prove they are what we think they are, and only then they get a shot at a role with the big club. Nonis should go get a bargain basement veteran to fill the role of checking winger for the Leafs. Anything else will just be more of the same to me, I'm afraid.

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  9. I think you know, Jim, that I'm not a fan of rushing young players. I've written on that subject here extensively, often referring back to the days of Jack Valiquette and later Jim Benning and others. It's long been an issue in Toronto.

    I'm neither a big fan of Colborne or someone who thinks he can't play. I really don't know. I'm more putting out the question to fans to see how they feel.

    That said, in this instance, he has had plenty of time in the minors. Most players don't need more than three seasons in the AHL if they are going to "make it" and be an impact player. There are exceptions, of course. I guess we'll find out where Colborne ultimately fits- if he does! Thanks Jim.

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    1. I have a rule of thumb that says when a player is getting near a point a game in the AHL, then he is ussually ready for NHL.

      Colborne has three seasons in the AHL and last year had 42 points in 65 games. The year before he had 39 in 65...so he is close.

      I think you have to reduce your expectations. I highly doubt Colborne will ever be a number one center. I think he peaks as a number 2 with a good defensive game.

      If you are looking for comparibles think Michal Handzuš who is 6'4" 220 lbs and was good for about 44-58 points in his peak years.

      Not a number one center but a very useful guy who could play on good teams with 97 playoff games and 43 playoff points.

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    2. Let me just add DP that I think it's natural for fans to have certain expectations when a guy was a first-round draft pick. We know that does not always translate into NHL success, but that is not doubt part of the reason why there are lofty expectations.

      And let's be honest, guys like Dudley really promoted him, so fans want to believe the hype from the organization. It's natural. Thanks DP.

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    3. I guess to make my point a little more clearly would have been nice. All I really wanted to say was that third line wingers are a dime a dozen in the NHL. If the team doesn't feel that Colborne has any upside outside of that role, fine. I am saying that I feel with another season in the AHL, he may prove to be capable of more than that. Something that isn't going to happen playing the wing alongside the facepunchers of the NHL. If the team sees him this way, they should try to trade him to a team that believes he has upside. Allowing them to sign a completely replaceable Tim Brent, or Joey Crabb type of player. If he has potential left, playing with Colton Orr isn't going to allow Colborne to prosper.

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    4. Jim,

      Another thing to consider is that the fourth line might change and/or get better. The face punchers might change or be different.

      The success of a young guy like Tyler Biggs, who plays a good defensive game, is tough, and is a better hockey player (he was on the US junior gold medal team) could mean the end of McLaren as a Leaf. Similarly, I think David Broll, who is also very tough, could be a better hockey player and take Colton Orr's slot.

      At their short-term, low salaries McLaren and/or Orr can easily be waived.

      I am thinking Biggs and Broll could become the tough guys who can actually play hockey like Shawn Thorton and Ryanne Clowe. We will just have to watch how they develop with the Marlies this year.

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  10. I saw a lot of Colborne with the Marlies (and much of this time he had nagging injuries so keep that in mind when reading my comments).

    What I saw was a tall frame that played soft both in terms of his lack of physical play and his compete level. And I don't understand with that height why someone hasn't told him to add 15-30lbs. Being 6'5" and only 215lbs gives him a high centre of gravity with not enough strength to battle for the puck.

    Anyway, for the people talking about a high ceiling and star status - you're dreaming. As a first round draft pick and the implications of that selection, he's undoubtedly a bust.

    He can be a career NHLer though (think Alexei Ponikarovsky rather than Dustin Penner) and I think Carlyle would demand and hopefully get the physical play that is needed from him.

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    1. Your assessment might sound harsh to some, Dan, but from what I seen is not off-base so far. If he gets stronger and adds weight and becomse a more physical presence, maybe he will have a higher ceiling....

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  11. I think we give Colborne a chance to play this year .. so long as he's willing to sign at a reasonable cap-hit. If he asks too much he might have to go.

    If he stays, on paper he might be 3rd or 4th line but Carlyle will give him a chance to play on the top lines and PP (even if he has to due to injuries). We needn't worry about him on the wing; he played wing through most of his college career (or so I have read). That said, it would be amazing to have a 6'5 center ala Jason Arnott. I'm willing to wait for that.

    Nonis said in the past off-season that he was big on Frattin, Colborne and Kadri from the Marlies and saw them as helping the Leafs in 2012-2013. I'm not sure if Colborne is ready but he's going to get his chance this year. He better make the most of it!

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    1. Hi Robert- I'm sure the Leafs have given Colborne a very precise set of expectations around what they expect of him when he shows up at camp in September. If he can outperform expectations, he may earn a spot. If not, his future likely becomes less clear....

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    2. Hopefully the instructions were: add 15lbs of muscle and learn to play with an edge. If he wants to play third line wing with Kulemin/Bolland, he's going to need it, but I think D'Amigo would be more effective anyway given his defensive abilities.

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    3. I like D'Amigo as well, Daniel. I believe the Leafs have no doubt stressed to Colborne the importance of filling out. He will have an individual 'plan' and will know what they expect of him, I'm sure.

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  12. Long time reader, first time poster. Let me just say I am glad that you have continued with this site. I was shocked to read your post of considering stopping. Which I would have repected and understood. Most , if not all other sites are missing repect amongst their posters, not yours. Good job mate ;)
    Love my leafs, been a fan since 71/72. Born in 66 , I was alive the last time they won..Like to remember one ;) So another one in my lifetime would be nice.Is that asking the hockey gods too much??

    To the case in point, Colborne. Three years now in the AHL , that has run its course. He is number one on the depth chart,from our farm, as in his call up during the Boston series due to the injury to Bozak. He played in key moments and did not look out of place. I would think the leaf brass would like to see him stick with the big club. Sheltered minutes, then if he progressed to a 3rd line role.. Third line on wing?? Out of his natural position, against the other teams best?? Not to start.. The leafs would take that if it was workin' ;) I am seeing Jay Mcc moved to wing on 3rd line to form a shutdown line with bolland and kuli. Colbourne centering 4th, maybe odd pp..If he gets sent down I hope its due to his waiver status and not his ability this time.

    Colbourne and Ashton, its their year to grab the bull by the horns I think. If they do not, I do not think they will be in our short or long term plans.

    Tans66

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    1. Thanks for the kind comments Anon/Tans66. I appreciate hearing that about VLM.

      You're right; we was sort of the 'next in line" this past spring, and he did his job well in the playoffs when called upon. If he can turn that into consistent performance at camp, maybe he will work his way into Carlyle's plans going forward.

      I tend to agree, however, that if he and Ashton don't begin to make their mark this season, it's difficult to see them being part of the big club's plans down the road. Thanks for posting Tans66, hope you drop by again.

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  13. Up until last year's playoffs, I would have agreed with the assessment of Colborne as a guy who plays soft for such a big frame. But he played surprisingly (to me) well during the playoffs, and seemed to have Carlyle's trust. I don't know if his previous so-so level of play was related to injuries or not, but I'm looking forward to seeing how he does this year. It feels like he's a couple of years away from being a "top 6" guy - based on my admittedly limited viewing of him - but his play showed consistency and determination against the Bruins that bodes well for the future.
    It surprises me how many big players don't use their size - Franson comes to mind, though he improved as last year went on - maybe there's a learning curve there that Colborne is still on? Whatever, I think he will be deployed as a wing/center on our third or fourth line, with the possibility of stepping up to either of the top two lines if injuries make it necessary.

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    1. Agreed, Gerund O', it's not rare to see big players develop a bit more slowly. Consistency, being physical, sometimes it all takes a bit longer for some guys to "get it". If his performance against Boston was an indication, he may be on the way. But again, we'll see...

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  14. michael, someone on the PPP forum posted this link to old maples leafs hockey finals footage on youtube. i think you would enjoy having a look from a historical perspective. i'm a little surprised it's from as early as 1933 though... can you verify this?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVSR8BtNtLw#at=395

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    1. That's a wonderful old clip, Alex. I can't confirm the precise year (before my time!) but I do believe it is certainly the early '30s. It fits with the time of the original "Kid Line" (Primeau, Conacher and Jackson), a very young Conn Smythe and of course Foster Hewitt. My Dad spoke to me about all these guys, including Bun Cook of the Rangers and others..

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    2. very cool! thanks for the follow-up michael!

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  15. Signed Colborne today, 1yr @ 600,000. Not a multi year at 1-1.5 mil. Looks like managemant gave the one year, lets see what you do contract. Leaves more cap space to sign the rest of the rfa's, Kadri, Fransson, Gunner, Fraser.

    Tans66

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    1. Thanks for the update, tans66. Your assessment rings true- better than the minimum by a bit (unless that is now the league minimum) but it sounds like a challenge to see if he can prove he deserves a longer deal a year from now...

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  16. Colborne is making less this year then last. Last year his Nhl base salary was $875,000 plus bonus's for a max cap hit of 1.1mil. You don't see young players with huge potential taking a haircut too often. Not a good sign overall. This is a make it or break it season for him. I think if he could establish himself even on the 4th line, maybe working up to third line wing, management would be content. He doesn't have to be a 1c,2c to have success in the NHL. Let him get his feet wet first, ease him in, protected minutes,the odd pp, little time on the 3rd line. If he succeeds, maybe when Bolland wants a raise , we have our 3rd line centre. It would be for a friendly cap hit(1-1.5 x2/3yrs) next year also. If he flanders, I could see him in a package deal, 1c, top dman perhaps.

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    1. I didn't realize this was a pay cut, tans66. As you note, the opportunity is still very much there, but he needs to make it happen...

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  17. tans66,

    Its a one-way contract at $600,000 so its $600,000 in the NHL or AHL. Last year Colborne's AHL salary was $65,000.

    In any case, I think it's good contract for both parties. Less total money for a full year in the NHL, but more guaranteed money for Colborne no matter where he plays...plus as you point out...more cap space to sign the rest of the rfas.


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  18. 65,000 was his ahl contract, 875,000 was his base nhl salary according to capgeek. SO when he played in the Ahl he got 65,000, when he played up with the big club, his base salary was 875,000 + bonuses which could have maxed at a 1.1 mil cap hit last year ,again as per capgeek. He will have to clear waivers this year, which he won't. His Ahl days with us are over I believe.

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    1. I don't believe Colborne has played enough games in the NHL in order to have to clear waivers Tans66. You are correct to say he will be paid the same whether in the NHL or AHL, though I think he needs to play something like 80 NHL games before he has to clear waiver.

      I'm thinking it's just like how Gardiner was still a bit wonky after the lockout and they only gave him 2 games before sending him down. When he returned, there were only 3 games left before waivers would come into play and everyone was talking about how he was 'up for good'. Pretty sure he had 75 games the previous season...

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  19. Further clarification regarding Colborne having to clear waivers this season. I was wrong to look at games played as the reason that I thought he wouldn't have to clear...

    It turns out that there is another criteria that determines his situation:

    After signing at 20 (in 2010) he would only have 3 years (or 160 games) of waiver exemption, Colborne played ONE NHL game in 2010-11, therefore he has 'used up his 3 years).

    For those interested, if you sign your contract at 19 you get 4 years, if you sign at 18 you get 5 years possible exemption (unless your games played is too high).

    In any case, Colborne appears to be up for the season to prove himself at the NHL level, cause I can't see him clearing waivers to go to the AHL at this point - somebody would surely take him.

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